: K&N 77 series installed
LinkNuc 03-28-2005, 05:23 PM I'll get some pics in later...so far so good, no noticeable loss in power A little gain in the 3800-5000 rpm range....It friggin roars, holy crap, I was used to the growl from my old Z with the typhoon...It actually scared the hell out of the 1st time I jumped on it...there's this once resonance frequency that the engine hits that roars though the whole cabin its short lived of course but it woke me up! It's really not loud under normal driving conditions which is nice but get on it and wow!...nice polished auminum pipe and about a 30 min install...didn't reset ECU, no SES light, but hell, I only got 400 miles on my truck...drove conservatively for about 10 miles...obviously not beatin' the engine too bad yet...but giving her a firm break in.
m95roadster 03-28-2005, 05:27 PM Hope you like it! I wonder if it looks like an AEM intake. Get those pics up soon!
PowerT 03-28-2005, 05:30 PM Gotta love the roar of the Titan. I'd like to see some pics of it also.
BlackTitan05 03-28-2005, 09:58 PM I'll get some pics in later...so far so good, no noticeable loss in power A little gain in the 3800-5000 rpm range....It friggin roars, holy crap, I was used to the growl from my old Z with the typhoon...It actually scared the hell out of the 1st time I jumped on it...there's this once resonance frequency that the engine hits that roars though the whole cabin its short lived of course but it woke me up! It's really not loud under normal driving conditions which is nice but get on it and wow!...nice polished auminum pipe and about a 30 min install...didn't reset ECU, no SES light, but hell, I only got 400 miles on my truck...drove conservatively for about 10 miles...obviously not beatin' the engine too bad yet...but giving her a firm break in.Nice very nice! Now whats the difference between the One you got (77) and the other one that has the black tube? Obviously the chrome VS. Black . I here the 77 is not street legal? but the black is? Any info appreciated , cause i want one real soon! Thanks!
LinkNuc 03-28-2005, 11:14 PM Nice very nice! Now whats the difference between the One you got (77) and the other one that has the black tube? Obviously the chrome VS. Black . I here the 77 is not street legal? but the black is? Any info appreciated , cause i want one real soon! Thanks![/quote]
I 'm not quite sure, but no, mine is not legal in all 50 states and definitely not California, but I live in PA so I have no problems with that, It will not fail PA emissions tests and ther are no laws about Air Intakes in PA to my knowledge, I had my CARB sticker on my Z when I took it to get inspected the guy at Mineke or MIdas (Can't remember which one) said, yeah so, that doesn't matter in PA it'll pass it's new don't worry...really though I can't see what It wouldn't be CARB expemt....you're just ulling mre air...
m95roadster 03-29-2005, 12:05 AM Nice very nice! Now whats the difference between the One you got (77) and the other one that has the black tube? Obviously the chrome VS. Black . I here the 77 is not street legal? but the black is? Any info appreciated , cause i want one real soon! Thanks!
I 'm not quite sure, but no, mine is not legal in all 50 states and definitely not California, but I live in PA so I have no problems with that, It will not fail PA emissions tests and ther are no laws about Air Intakes in PA to my knowledge, I had my CARB sticker on my Z when I took it to get inspected the guy at Mineke or MIdas (Can't remember which one) said, yeah so, that doesn't matter in PA it'll pass it's new don't worry...really though I can't see what It wouldn't be CARB expemt....you're just ulling mre air...[/quote]
From looking at pictures on the K&N site the 77 has the Mass Air Sensor in the factory location, where as the plastic tube one is near the throttle body. Besides material selection that is the only difference that I can see.
LinkNuc 03-29-2005, 10:44 AM Yes, the MAF is inthe stock location...super easy install
m95roadster 03-29-2005, 03:23 PM Nuc,
Are you getting a whistling sound on light throttle load?
LinkNuc 03-29-2005, 06:40 PM This dosen't have the whistle its just a "sucking" sound...the k&N Typhoon intake I put on my Z whistled...I get a litle suck at light load..it sounds more like WHOOOSH than the typical whistle....The air fileter is ENORMOUS!
m95roadster 03-29-2005, 06:52 PM This dosen't have the whistle its just a "sucking" sound...the k&N Typhoon intake I put on my Z whistled...I get a litle suck at light load..it sounds more like WHOOOSH than the typical whistle....The air fileter is ENORMOUS!
Reason I ask is because I get that sound (actually a high pitched vacuum sound), sounds like a turbo spooling up. It's only on light throttle when leaving from a stoplight you hear it. If you give more gas then the whooosh sound takes over. It gets annoying sometimes. I think I'm going to completely enclose it with plexiglass.
LinkNuc 03-29-2005, 07:12 PM I know exactly what you are talking about, I mean exactly..I liked it on the Z (the whistle) but i think it would annoy me on the truck....I don't know if its just because its the non-carb exempt kit or what, but it has no whistle really..the best way to describe it is that its almost like a super intesnse Darth Vader breathing it.
BlackTitan05 03-29-2005, 09:08 PM Nice very nice! Now whats the difference between the One you got (77) and the other one that has the black tube? Obviously the chrome VS. Black . I here the 77 is not street legal? but the black is? Any info appreciated , cause i want one real soon! Thanks!
I 'm not quite sure, but no, mine is not legal in all 50 states and definitely not California, but I live in PA so I have no problems with that, It will not fail PA emissions tests and ther are no laws about Air Intakes in PA to my knowledge, I had my CARB sticker on my Z when I took it to get inspected the guy at Mineke or MIdas (Can't remember which one) said, yeah so, that doesn't matter in PA it'll pass it's new don't worry...really though I can't see what It wouldn't be CARB expemt....you're just ulling mre air...[/quote]hanks for the info.!
SMOKEDYA2 03-29-2005, 11:23 PM This dosen't have the whistle its just a "sucking" sound...the k&N Typhoon intake I put on my Z whistled...I get a litle suck at light load..it sounds more like WHOOOSH than the typical whistle....The air fileter is ENORMOUS!
Reason I ask is because I get that sound (actually a high pitched vacuum sound), sounds like a turbo spooling up. It's only on light throttle when leaving from a stoplight you hear it. If you give more gas then the whooosh sound takes over. It gets annoying sometimes. I think I'm going to completely enclose it with plexiglass.
i inclosed mine in plexiglass already. it got really loud and bad when i put the TB spacer on. i also ordered a dryfilter to put over it and that helped quite it up also.
m95roadster 03-29-2005, 11:26 PM This dosen't have the whistle its just a "sucking" sound...the k&N Typhoon intake I put on my Z whistled...I get a litle suck at light load..it sounds more like WHOOOSH than the typical whistle....The air fileter is ENORMOUS!
Reason I ask is because I get that sound (actually a high pitched vacuum sound), sounds like a turbo spooling up. It's only on light throttle when leaving from a stoplight you hear it. If you give more gas then the whooosh sound takes over. It gets annoying sometimes. I think I'm going to completely enclose it with plexiglass.
i inclosed mine in plexiglass already. it got really loud and bad when i put the TB spacer on. i also ordered a dryfilter to put over it and that helped quite it up also.
Smoke,
You have a pic of it?
SMOKEDYA2 03-29-2005, 11:38 PM no pic yet cause i just did it a week ago. i put a couple of brackets on the metal shield and cut a top to fit over the hole. i left it open in front of the headlight and the fender opening for cold air. there is also a 2 inch by 6 inch strip of rubber you can remove next to the washer fluid that will force air in from behind the headlight. then i took some metal tape and cut little strips to fill the gaps where engine air can be sucked in, now its sealed off from the engine compartment.
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 12:00 PM I'm finally gonna break down and get a digital dcamera..so I'll post some pics and a quick movie with sound in the near future...that is if they have my seat fixed today I can't take this friggin Dodge Neon rental anymore
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 04:00 PM OK I just got a digital camera..i'll take a few snaps n'at as soon as it gets done charging...any video I take will be pretty crappy (I only got the 32MB card that came with it)
Got a 2GB card on the way...shuold do decent video after that
m95roadster 03-30-2005, 04:09 PM OK I just got a digital camera..i'll take a few snaps n'at as soon as it gets done charging...any video I take will be pretty crappy (I only got the 32MB card that came with it)
Got a 2GB card on the way...shuold do decent video after that
Great! Now start taking a lot of pics. 2gb card?? How much are those? Wow, I bought a 256mb 2 years ago and that was considered big.
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 04:28 PM OK I just got a digital camera..i'll take a few snaps n'at as soon as it gets done charging...any video I take will be pretty crappy (I only got the 32MB card that came with it)
Got a 2GB card on the way...shuold do decent video after that
Great! Now start taking a lot of pics. 2gb card?? How much are those? Wow, I bought a 256mb 2 years ago and that was considered big.
Till charging ...a 2 GB was 200 bucks...but I figue I can take 573 super fine 7 MP or 1125 regular 7 mp pix or 30000+ VGA pics and thousands of other combinations
and according to this manual I can take 24 hours of crappy video and 25 min of 640x480 of Fine video or 1:31 of regular 640x480 which is pretty good..we'll see I'm holding on to the receitp
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 05:55 PM Ok excuse the finger prints and I hav eno idea what I'm ding with this camera yet..I tried to take down the resolution
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 05:56 PM ANother one
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 05:57 PM one more
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 05:58 PM I made a "crappy video, don't know if I can post it..I think once I can do a good video with the 2 Gb card It should sound like it should...but you'll notice that there is no whistle just sucking
m95roadster 03-30-2005, 06:08 PM Nice pics! It looks like the 77 kit has larger pipes than the FIPK. Are they 4" tubes?
LinkNuc 03-30-2005, 06:13 PM Nice pics! It looks like the 77 kit has larger pipes than the FIPK. Are they 4" tubes?
3 1/2"
BlackTitan05 03-30-2005, 09:37 PM Wow ,that is huge! Looks very very nice! Thanks for the visuals!
LinkNuc 03-31-2005, 02:02 AM Wow ,that is huge! Looks very very nice! Thanks for the visuals!
Thanks...it was an easy install and I think because the Air filter is so hugemongus that I don't get the whistle...really it seems like its sucking the life out of the atmosphere...now I know its nor Carb legal in Cali, but for those of you in the other states I highly recommend it...I can't wait to put my Borla on
BlackTitan05 03-31-2005, 04:31 PM So is it legal here in MD?
LinkNuc 03-31-2005, 04:46 PM So is it legal here in MD?
You betcha...MD is less steringent than the commonwealth of PA
BlackTitan05 03-31-2005, 04:49 PM Looks like i gotta get one now asap. Thanks
LinkNuc 03-31-2005, 05:06 PM if you can find a coupon code for Crutcheild oyoui'll hav one at your door tomorrow for aboutu 200 bucks
Otherwise its 239
LinkNuc 03-31-2005, 05:07 PM it tool literally one day for them to send me mine at 204.99
SkunkApeRecords 03-31-2005, 08:38 PM I am getting ready to buy a K&N 77 CAI for my Titan but I noticed that Volant sold a RAM Air pipe to accomadate the CAI. Does K&N sell a RAM pipe for the 77 model?
Thanks!
Jason
m95roadster 03-31-2005, 08:54 PM I am getting ready to buy a K&N 77 CAI for my Titan but I noticed that Volant sold a RAM Air pipe to accomadate the CAI. Does K&N sell a RAM pipe for the 77 model?
Thanks!
Jason
K&N does not have a ram air pipe. Looking at the Volant ram air pipe, I say to save your money.
BlackTitan05 03-31-2005, 09:47 PM if you can find a coupon code for Crutcheild oyoui'll hav one at your door tomorrow for aboutu 200 bucks
Otherwise its 239Interesting i will try , Thanks!
OldSalt 04-01-2005, 11:24 PM I haven't been posting in quite awhile, but have made it back. I see I've missed quite a bit. Anyway, I installed a 77-series a couple of weeks ago, and I'm very satisfied with it. No whistling, but it does roar when you plant the right foot. The differences between the 77 and the FIPK are: The FIPK is CARB approved and 50-state legal; the 77 is not CARB approved and is not legal in states that do an under hood emissions inspection. The 77 has a polished aluminum main tube, and the FIPK is all plastic. The 77 also mounts the MAF in the stock location, while the FIPK has it mounted downstream of the crankcase vent hoses. The 77 dynos at 17 HP @4800 RPM, while the FIPK is about 11 HP @5000+ RPM. I've noticed a crisper throttle response, and the truck really pulls smoothly when it gets up on the pipe. I haven't bothered checking MPG gains, since that is not really a concern for me. My only complaint is a minor one; K&N doesn't provide hose clamps for the plastic T connection for the crankcase vent lines, so I had to provide my own. No big deal. The install was straightforward with no problems. I wrote K&N about the warranty, because when I received the package, it said I had the off road/racing warranty, while their site claims the 1 million mile warranty. Since the kit isn't CARB approved, there is a one year warranty on the hardware, but the filter is covered by the 10 year, million mile warranty. They also stated they are awaiting CARB approval on the 77-series kits. If anyone is interested, I'll post a pic or two of my installed system.
BTW, it's good to be back!
BlackTitan05 04-01-2005, 11:46 PM Wow , thanks for more info on my choices. Maryland does not do underhood emission inspections. So i guess i can get the 77 ? So what makes it Not CARB legal compared to the black. More air flow? Please post picts. Thanks!
OldSalt 04-01-2005, 11:55 PM It has been submitted for CARB approval-it just hasn't been approved (or denied) yet. I don't know all of the technical details on the differences in performance of the two kits, but the difference in materials and perhaps a filter difference make up the claimed HP advantage of the 77 over the FIPK. I'll try to get some pics posted sometime tomorrow.
BlackTitan05 04-02-2005, 10:10 AM Ok, thanks for the input . Picts would be great. Any Service Engine Lights come on after install? I think i read here that the battery must be disconnected proir to install for a certain time, and after install is complete. Can you shed some light on this. Thanks!!
BlackTitan05 04-02-2005, 10:19 AM Anybody have a site/link where i can get a coupon code from Crutchfield for the 77 intake. LinkNuc got it for $204.99 shipped with coupon.
LinkNuc 04-02-2005, 11:23 AM I haven't been posting in quite awhile, but have made it back. I see I've missed quite a bit. Anyway, I installed a 77-series a couple of weeks ago, and I'm very satisfied with it. No whistling, but it does roar when you plant the right foot. The differences between the 77 and the FIPK are: The FIPK is CARB approved and 50-state legal; the 77 is not CARB approved and is not legal in states that do an under hood emissions inspection. The 77 has a polished aluminum main tube, and the FIPK is all plastic. The 77 also mounts the MAF in the stock location, while the FIPK has it mounted downstream of the crankcase vent hoses. The 77 dynos at 17 HP @4800 RPM, while the FIPK is about 11 HP @5000+ RPM. I've noticed a crisper throttle response, and the truck really pulls smoothly when it gets up on the pipe. I haven't bothered checking MPG gains, since that is not really a concern for me. My only complaint is a minor one; K&N doesn't provide hose clamps for the plastic T connection for the crankcase vent lines, so I had to provide my own. No big deal. The install was straightforward with no problems. I wrote K&N about the warranty, because when I received the package, it said I had the off road/racing warranty, while their site claims the 1 million mile warranty. Since the kit isn't CARB approved, there is a one year warranty on the hardware, but the filter is covered by the 10 year, million mile warranty. They also stated they are awaiting CARB approval on the 77-series kits. If anyone is interested, I'll post a pic or two of my installed system.
BTW, it's good to be back!
Why didn't you just use the stock hose clamps for the vent hoses, thats what I did, they are a real BitJh but they are tight
LinkNuc 04-02-2005, 11:27 AM Ok, thanks for the input . Picts would be great. Any Service Engine Lights come on after install? I think i read here that the battery must be disconnected proir to install for a certain time, and after install is complete. Can you shed some light on this. Thanks!!
I didn't unplug the battery...it dosent reset the ECU anyway, just like all new Nissans, the only way to reset ECU is the Gas pedal trick, or have a Serive Dude flash it....
No SES light ever, no whistle
and my understanding is that it will be approved 50 state wide, and don't waste your money on a Ram Air Scoop, It ain;t gonna get you anything, My buddy did the fluid mechanics calc on the air flow, he said that I need not even do the heat transfer part...then I reminded him that I'm in Management now, thus my Engineering skills have deminished to nil
OldSalt 04-02-2005, 01:05 PM Hey LinkNuc, the clamps I was referring to are to hold the K&N-supplied hose to the air tube, and then one to hold the other end of that hose to the plastic T. I did reuse the Nissan clamps that held the vent hoses to the stock resonator where the vent hoses connected to the T.
BlackTitan05, I disconnected my negative battery cable as per the instructions. When I fired her back up, I didn't trip any codes, and I haven't seen a SES light. You don't have to wait any period of time to reconnect the battery cable; just reinstall it when you are finished. As promised, here's a pic of my install.
LinkNuc 04-02-2005, 01:06 PM I have a video (~8.5MB) ejay will gove you an idea onthe sound...but Its apparently to big to post I'm trying to figure out how to host it Google Mail is giving us pretty much unlimited space, but I can't figure out how to make it a downloadable file...pM me and I can send it to you or if you want to host it let me know
BlackTitan05 04-02-2005, 03:30 PM Thanks for the pictures and info guys ! Now just gotta find best $ price on the 77 .
LinkNuc 04-02-2005, 04:29 PM Hey LinkNuc, the clamps I was referring to are to hold the K&N-supplied hose to the air tube, and then one to hold the other end of that hose to the plastic T. I did reuse the Nissan clamps that held the vent hoses to the stock resonator where the vent hoses connected to the T.
BlackTitan05, I disconnected my negative battery cable as per the instructions. When I fired her back up, I didn't trip any codes, and I haven't seen a SES light. You don't have to wait any period of time to reconnect the battery cable; just reinstall it when you are finished. As promised, here's a pic of my install.
Ah, my bad...but that thing is on ther so tight I dont't think it matters
herkyniss 04-02-2005, 07:16 PM I would think the 77 is a better system, the Volant is not a "true" cold air intake. I have had 2 Se-rs a 98 and a 03 both with "true"{ inner fender well} cold air intakes. Both systems utilized a K&n filter with no MAF problems. I think alot of people overoil their filters because of the "contamination" factor. I would rather the motor be able to supply enough oxygen as needed, not pull it by equalization through the stock or enlarged fenderwell opening. just my 2 cents.
OldSalt 04-02-2005, 10:55 PM No prob, Link. I should have been clearer in my first comment about the hose clamps. I just wanted to ensure that the hose didn't come loose from the air tube, so I put my own clamp on it.
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