Gentleman,
Well...Humble pie is served with toppings. My First and second runs were within 1/100th of second....16.629 @ 83.02 and 16.619 @ 83.31 Track conditions were mid 60's 1st run 62 degrees, and 2nd run 67, humidity on 1st run was 36%, 2nd run 19%. Absolute barometric pressure was the same 23.90 inches. I only made two runs due the number of cars that were at the track. At least I have a good base line to start with. Interstingly myself and a Lightning were the only trucks...The lightning ran 13.009 which is a vary good number. I am going to go look up the conversion factor on NHRA's site.
Bye the way my truck is stock except for the airbox mod, and I did remove the factory muffler...Banks exhaust and CAI are on their way as I type. Will post results as soon as they are installed and I can get back to the track. I think nitrous is in order.
Bye the way it was interesting to see the 4-cyl cars run (WRX's and SRT Neons) those little car get right on down the track.
Regards,
Sam

those sound like really slow times, is it the elevation there causing the high times

As a rule I think the 5830' altitude adds 2 sec to the times + or -. The temp and humidity probably have the DA ( Air density ) at over 6500'. So mid 14s not too bad. I saw a 2004 RX8 run consistant 17.12. Real men run at 5800'. "Real slow men". Keep us posted on the Nitrous.

4/17 Today I took my 04 Titan to Fayetteville Motorsports park.

Reaction: Not good
60ft-2.2053
330ft--6.2955
1/8et--9.6345
1/8mph--73.25
1/4et--14.9621
1/4mph--92.61

Made about 10 runs. Most were 15.09. Had alot of trouble launching this truck. The first 300 ft were mostly burnout. Made a Mad 1/8 Mile burnout. Friends like it at 17.5 1/4. Temp about 70. Hum dont have a clue. Only mods to date are an exhaust.

Sounds like you had a blast, Sam. As you know, I had to work most of the weekend, so maybe next time I can make it out there with you (and whoever else in the area that wants to). Couldn't talk your buddy with the Rumble Bee into going?? I think you'd beat him, but it would be close!

Couple of questions concerning Bandimere:

Are you required to wear a helmet for the class you ran in?

Any issues during vehicle inspection?

Thanks,
Steve

btw what do you mean you removed the factory muffler? your running the stock exhuast but you just removed the muffler, if so how does it sound?

Well last year at the Nationals the Hemi trucks were running mid to low 17's in the heat of the day. Think density altitude of 9.5 to 10K. As for tech it was a breeze...factory stock is okay, and no you don't need a helmet. With regard to the muffler well I cut it off and just put straight pipe in its place. In the truck it does sound kinda funny. Outside it sounds shall we say healthy. Where o where is my Banks?? What I can't believe is how well the "little rice" cars run. Alot of them ran into 13's. Can you say sleepers? Bye the way I did see a 'Busa run 9.90's...gotta get one of those.

what do you mean funny :D what would you say it sounds like inside and outside the cab, does it rumble, is it a nice v8 sound? sorry for all the questions

It does rumble, but the sound is very raspy...As resonating tip would help a lot in my opine. And the sound is very different from the outside as opposed to in the cab. And yes the sound is a very distinctive V-8 sound...people do look if you are on it.

I like you didnt see anything but lightnings running 13.3-8 ish. Not another truck. The small cars here seem to be in the higher 15 range. The dang mustangs here rule the 13's along with a few pontiacs.

I like you didnt see anything but lightnings running 13.3-8 ish. Not another truck. The small cars here seem to be in the higher 15 range. The dang mustangs here rule the 13's along with a few pontiacs.

We should meet up at the track sometime...I'm in Eastover 8)

I am furiously looking for a set of 17's then I will be going again next month. It would be nice to have another nissan out there for them to make fun of instead of just me myself and I.

4/17 Today I took my 04 Titan to Fayetteville Motorsports park.

I was just in NC from Saturday till Monday. I stayed in Raleigh/Durham, but on Sunday I was in High Point for the convention. Where is the track located?

BTW, you guys have a bunch of trees everywhere. Very nice scenery!

...BTW, you guys have a bunch of trees everywhere. Very nice scenery!Yeah but those trees shed leaves, berries, sap, and bird dung all over your Titan and make it difficult to keep clean. :lol:

It is by the Fayetteville airport. Just look for 50 army guys and your close

Dont feel too bad, our track is at 5350ft and the DA is usually over 7000ft. I saw a Titan run 16.3's here, so your times seem about right!

Actual D.A. was 8064' now that is a good time. Oh well

Gentleman,
Am headed back to Bandimere tomorrow (mothers day) am hoping to run into the 15's. The air should be good. Tomorrows race is the annual King Street race....Run whata ya brung....Handicapped for us slow guys. But 11.75 and quicker is heads up...and 11.75 out of a street car here is gettin' it hard. I can't wait to see the menagerie of vehicles. Rky Mtn Titan are ya out there? You should come up and run, it costs 30 to run and 12 to watch. Gates open at 830.
Regards,
Sam

Well todays results were disappointing. Made three runs two qualifying and one round of racing. Conditions were as follows:
1st run 65F, 23.80 barometer, RH 18%, truck was literally off the highway into the lanes and run resulting in 16.64/82.08mph
2nd run was 69F, 23.80 barometer, RH15%, about an hour to cool off. 16.416/82.24mph
3rd run (one that mattered) 78F, 23.80 barometer, RH7%, dial in was 16.40, R/T was .165 ran 16.437/83.68mph Lost by about 6" at the line. The other guy (Ford Cobra) ran 14.607/85.05 (he had to have let off for that MPH) on a 14.50 dial in, his reaction time was .091 So that is where I lost. Oh well I'll try again next week. Of note is that there was a fierce head wind...15-20mph steady with gusts to 25-30mph. I could feel the truck fighting the wind going down track. At one point my truck was shaking in the staging lanes because of the wind. Not that it is an excuse but I think that the wind really hindered all of the cars and trucks that were running today.
I did get a compliment from a Ford guy which was cool.."them Nissans run pretty good". Of all the late model factory "stock" trucks mine was second only to a Lightning. So that helped take some of the sting out. I did not see a single Hemi truck there day running. But did see one of those Hemi wagon things...pretty quick 15.80 at almost 90MPH.
Regards,
Sam
next time I am going to take the tail gate and spare tire off and try not to have a half full gas tank.

Cool, man! Bandimere is a humbling experience, from what I'm told. I know what you mean by those head winds.....pretty brutal most of the time up and down that stretch of C-470. I'll make it up there with ya one of these times......Father's day I could get away with....but Mother's Day....no way! Never hear the end of that deal!

Hopefully the exhaust dude I found will get us hooked up soon with the rear cat delete on our trucks. May be good for another .10 sec or so. I'll try to reach him tomorrow and see what's up. I hope he's not backin' out on me!

Let me know on that exhaust. Looking back at my prior time slips (from Apr) I notice that my first two runs on this outing were slower (mph) than before. My third run last weekend was only .37 mph faster than my best mph in April. So I think it is safe to say that the wind definetly slowed the truck down. How much is anyone's guess. Maybe two tenths and 3mph??? I can imagine the aero load is pretty hefty at 83mph and adding a head wind of 20-30mph just kills the performance. Realistically I don't see a Titan (without N2O, or forced induction) going much quicker than a 16 flat in the high 80mph range here in Denver. Especially once it starts to get hot. But low 16's out of a truck is very respectable here. Way quicker than most other trucks. My longterm goal would be to get into the 100mph club here at Bandimere. And by the way Bandimere has test and tune every Wednesday. So if anyone wants to get out and go with me send me a PM.
Regards,
Sam

Well another night of test and tune. NO improvement in E.T. but quite a bit of improvement in MPH...16.41 @ 84.54 MPH Oh well. This is really disheartening. Me thinks I need to buy a diesel and just have at it. I saw a 1-ton Cummins Dodge run into the high 13's tonight. That guy spanked and I do mean spanked the hell out of a Viper. Now that was fun to watch.

Any of the turbo-diesel trucks (with simple mods) seem to have little or no problem just flat out running a Titan. And that is with just a six gun tuner and maybe a chip. I've tried to run against a modded TD truck from a roll and that is an error...Oh well live and learn.
Regards,
Sam

Throw some nitrous on your titan - it's worth about 1 second just with a 50hp shot.

Those diesels can be tricky, but the thing of it is if you just use the box to get the power out of them, there can be some serious reliability issues with the engines. Too much fuel can cause some big problems. Search around some of the forums. Also, the newer trucks have ECMs that will log changes to its program so the days of taking off those boxes and then running to the dealer for warranty after screwing it up are over.

I've run a lot of modified diesels here and there are only a couple (with a lot more $$ in their trucks than me) that can beat me. And even then it isn't by much. Most of those guys get the impression that they can drop in a chip and exhaust and beat all the other trucks out there. One thing I've noticed is that those guys are pretty sore losers. Most won't come talk to me after the "rice burner" just smacked 'em one.

Head,
Agreed that diesels can be tricky. There were several Cummins and Powerstrokes running last night.
The particular truck ran a 13.96 Converting to sea-level that is an easy 12.8 ET. I can imagine what that guy in the Viper was thinking. Did you mention that your dad has a cummins that gives you trouble with high speed roll ons?? My suspicion is that some of the diesel guys get a little too aggressive with propane and manage to blow things up...and therin lies a lot the reliability issues. Couple of my buddies (Duramax and Cummins) have Banks set ups and those trucks run like scalded apes. Those engines have so much torque...they just keep on pushing.

Regardless I am inclined to try the N2O. I calculate that I can get away with a little more N2O here than one would try at sea level. Since we have less cylinder pressure to work with here at altitude. The most frustrating issue last night was my trucks inconsistency. Over four runs my E.T. varied between 16.55 and 16.41 ET wise. MPH was good on all four runs. And I did manage to get the "slip" light on once. That was a new experience for me. I have also noticed that these engines seem very sensitive to heat soak. Additionally a lot of my frustration stems from me not being able to run within 1.4 seconds of the times you guys are running at low altitudes. I'll keep working and keep you guys posted.
Regards,
Sam

Yeah I generally let mine sit (with the fans running) at least 15 minutes in between runs. My truck is very consistent off the nitrous and would do well bracket racing.

Turbo-diesels may have a big advantage at high
altitude. Is it possible that the waste gate
is able to cut back enough at high altitude to
maintain the same amount of boost as at sea
level ??

My working knowledge of TD wastegates (on small trucks) isn't great. But that is an interesting point. One of the planes I learned to fly had an air over air engine and would maintain 42" of manifold pressure to 12K feet. And if memory serves the bigger Cat motors (and probably Detroits and Cummins as well) are able to maintain rated horsepower to I think 7K feet. If you or anyone else has ever driven a tractor (bob tail) with 500-600HP engine in it....that is fun.
Regards,
Sam

Turbocharged engines are not affected as much as an NA engine at high altitudes. This would also be true for the lightning, WRX, etc. The turbocharger can help make up for some or all of the difference.

Gentleman,
Well...Humble pie is served with toppings. My First and second runs were within 1/100th of second....16.629 @ 83.02 and 16.619 @ 83.31 Track conditions were mid 60's 1st run 62 degrees, and 2nd run 67, humidity on 1st run was 36%, 2nd run 19%. Absolute barometric pressure was the same 23.90 inches. I only made two runs due the number of cars that were at the track. At least I have a good base line to start with. Interstingly myself and a Lightning were the only trucks...The lightning ran 13.009 which is a vary good number. I am going to go look up the conversion factor on NHRA's site.
Bye the way my truck is stock except for the airbox mod, and I did remove the factory muffler...Banks exhaust and CAI are on their way as I type. Will post results as soon as they are installed and I can get back to the track. I think nitrous is in order.
Bye the way it was interesting to see the 4-cyl cars run (WRX's and SRT Neons) those little car get right on down the track.
Regards,
Sam

man look at those times!!! lol

Hey, don't laugh. It's a struggle up here just to lay some scratch. From a standstill I can't hardly chirp the tires and a powerbrake burnout is an occassional thing.

Thanks for bringing up this thread. I missed seeing it before and rvt's times are something for me to shoot for. Hopefully I'll make it to Bandimere next year - with Uprev on board.

First, hats of for trying....other than NIT...S/C is it, you need to make more air where ther isn't any....I had @ 20k extra in my 05...my best was 14.94@ 92.4 mph. I had all I could bolt on and was begging Stillen for the #8 pully, ask Jim..I could burn 35's, with 10" lift, and for what its worth...I used to kill my bosses gmc that he hat ATS do all kinds of thing to....oh btw...I can do the 2* timing for ya...I just got an 07 'Mada and got the BullyDog..pm me if interested..other wise peace...and happy trails

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Hey, don't laugh. It's a struggle up here just to lay some scratch. From a standstill I can't hardly chirp the tires and a powerbrake burnout is an occassional thing.

Thanks for bringing up this thread. I missed seeing it before and rvt's times are something for me to shoot for. Hopefully I'll make it to Bandimere next year - with Uprev on board.


lol i'm just kidding, someone always brings up an old thread so i wanted to do it lol...i understand about the elevation factor

....oh btw...I can do the 2* timing for ya...I just got an 07 'Mada and got the BullyDog..pm me if interested..other wise peace...and happy trails
Hmm, sounds like it's time for another lunch meet up. I'm working up in Lakewood near the Colorado Mills mall. Let me know if you're available.