OK Guys, I'm going to throw this out there and see if it sticks. I started a thread on the quickest non tuned titan, and every one said Rossi was the man. I got some feed back from Rossi and found out I'm quicker than him before he got headers. So here goes 04titanss IS the Quickest non tuned, no header titan. ET 14.627@91.82 mph Let me hear what you think.

Original Thread: http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42206

Thread with Rossi's Quote: That 14.6 is without headers!!! I think I ran 14.73 without headers.
http://mightytitans.boardnation.com/index.php?topic=2797.msg74128#msg74128

Nice runs man.

what are your mods?

I ran a 14:8 without Uprev and headers, Have Uprev now but havent been abble to go to the track, hope to go soon...
But 14.6 is a very good time!!!!
What Mods do you have???

Added Mod List to Sig:

My fastest time for 1/8th = 9.581...
That would be a calculated 14.98 in the 1/4th...

Not too bad for a 4WD CC LE Titan..

My fastest time for 1/8th = 9.581...
That would be a calculated 14.98 in the 1/4th...

Not too bad for a 4WD CC LE Titan.. what mods did you have warp?

My fastest time for 1/8th = 9.581...
That would be a calculated 14.98 in the 1/4th...

Not too bad for a 4WD CC LE Titan..

Calculated conversions from 1/8th to 1/4 mile times rarely pan out to be accurate (whether it's an AWD turbo sedan, 2WD RWD Sports car, or full sized pickup truck). You might be dead on, but it's unlikely.

Not trying to pee in your cherios or anything, just pointing out that the logic doesn't typically hold true. It can even vary across the same idential vehicle in most cases. Kind of weird actually...

Calculated conversions from 1/8th to 1/4 mile times rarely pan out to be accurate (whether it's an AWD turbo sedan, 2WD RWD Sports car, or full sized pickup truck). You might be dead on, but it's unlikely.

Not trying to pee in your cherios or anything, just pointing out that the logic doesn't typically hold true. It can even vary across the same idential vehicle in most cases. Kind of weird actually...

Oh I know, lol.. Its never accurate. Last time I ran the 1/4th, it was my first trip ever to any track. I ran a 15.5 in mid 70 to low 80 weather, with really high precipatation and humidity...

The mods I had when I ran that was: S&B CAI, MF Muffler, 2* Advance

It's a shame they don't let you "rent" the track for a day...

Getting used to launching a vehicle takes time. It's certainly easier with an auto tranny (which is one of the reasons that the absurdly competitive folks use them), but it can still vary from vehicle to vehicle, even identical models.

It's a shame they don't let you "rent" the track for a day...

Getting used to launching a vehicle takes time. It's certainly easier with an auto tranny (which is one of the reasons that the absurdly competitive folks use them), but it can still vary from vehicle to vehicle, even identical models.

You can rent my local tracks cost $1500.

I was just looking at some video earlyer of your truck Nick,you got my vote.Your truck is realy moving.I never ran my truck before headers so nothing to compare it to.

You can rent my local tracks cost $1500.

That's awesome!

I wish I could find that kind of deal near me. I'd find a half dozen friends and go crazy...

I too would jump all over that and set up a track meet.. 100 a pop :D that would be a blast

Nice times! Although true you are untuned........ as another PGM owner myself i know that the mod fixes the 0-40 mph fix ad thats good for a few 10ths. But tecnically ya you are untuned good deal. Or maby an astricks that says "tuned by thrust and randy" lol. I need to drive quite a ways to get to a 1/4 mile around here. I ran a 9.918@75mph in the 1/8 without headers though. And a cracked exhaust manifold!
Keep up the good work and put uprev on the list.

I too would jump all over that and set up a track meet.. 100 a pop :D that would be a blast
You can rent out Texas Motorplex in Ennis

I just want to keep this thread in perspective. I just realized you have a PGM. This almost gives you a tuned truck since you have much more throttle down low then a non-tuned Titan.

IF your run was with a stock throttle body I could understand thsi thread. But now that I realize that you have a PGM that sort of puts you with mods that 99.99% of the Titan owners out there do not have.

So your times can not be compared with any non-tuned/non header Titan unless it also has a PGM.

I'm not raining on anyones parade. Just making sure all the facts are realized. 14.6 is still a smoking number! And it shows that the PGM works because your 60' times is awesome.

hey nick, just curious. i ran my 08 at the track a few monnths ago and trapped 1 mph faster then you but only ran a 15.20. how is that possible. we have the same gears so your not any different there. what the hell is wrong with my truck? sorry to hijack your thread.

hey nick, just curious. i ran my 08 at the track a few monnths ago and trapped 1 mph faster then you but only ran a 15.20. how is that possible. we have the same gears so your not any different there. what the hell is wrong with my truck? sorry to hijack your thread.

What was your 60' times, alot of ET is gained or lost at the 60' timers.

This is what i want everyones opinion.

Rossi, My 60' was from the Truetrac install not the PGM, before TT my best was 60' 2.16. When you posted over on MT your best ET before headers /uprev was 14.73 what mods did you have?

hey nick, just curious. i ran my 08 at the track a few monnths ago and trapped 1 mph faster then you but only ran a 15.20. how is that possible. we have the same gears so your not any different there. what the hell is wrong with my truck? sorry to hijack your thread.

He has more juice out the hole with PGM. Your MPH is higher because your 07' makes more "peak HP" but he has more power under the curve or more overall power with PGM and his other mods, especially 1st gear..Every 1/10th in the 60' is worth 2/10ths at the end of the track. You have a peg leg and the stock throttle control limits 0-40mph acceleration they are both killing your 60' times...

Go Nick go make a new category for the racers....That is one fast untuned truck! I knew you'd be happier with two tires spining....LOL

I'm the fastest 4door 04 LE....LOL love it! Racing Titans ROCK.

How about this Quickest Full Street Trim, PGM, No Tune, No Headers! I can add more if it is to abbreviated. LOL!!
Now if i do the short belt mod i should go 14.5's, we'll if i can get off the line without the wheelspin, yes, the 2.070 60' had wheel spin. If i remove the spare, tailgate, jack, taller DR's, etc...................... I might go 14.4's Only time will tell, in February when SCD reopens with its new concrete drag strip.

Break down on my times. By trips to SCD.
1. 15.17 air box mod, K&N, F/M 40, helper springs, 26" DR's
2. 14.89 PGM, Volant 3, 170 stat, 2*, F/M 40, stock 17's
3. 14.83 SAME, 07 pipes w/ M/F 26" DR's hit speed limiter at 1200 ft.
4. 14.62 SAME, ram air mod, Truetrac, pinion shims, 17's, burnout mod(didn't work cut wrong wire)

Yes with a Short belt you should take .1 or so off your ET!!

A 2.07 is a damn good 60'. I think I only pulled a 1.99 once or twice on street tires. I was typically a 2.0/2.1 60'.

But that PGM will work like UpRevs ETC tune. You can probably pull 1.9's pretty consistent with it. But stock tires......it will be tricky!

Last post was edited. The 2.070 was with my stock 17" contitrac's. Thanks for all the info guys!

So PGM is like having no DBW restriction with that huge throttle body.

Not that this is important but I pulled a 2.057 60' with my badyears, peg-legged.

As a mod you list pinion shims...what the hell is that? Ring N pinion.....or something else?

You list it right after Truetrac so it has me currious?

As a mod you list pinion shims...what the hell is that? Ring N pinion.....or something else?

You list it right after Truetrac so it has me currious?

maby somthing with the lowering kit that was needed? i heard some say they had to fix the drivshaft angle but i didnt do shims. I would like to see a pic and what they did so i can look under and see if i need them :angst-big:

As a mod you list pinion shims...what the hell is that? Ring N pinion.....or something else?

You list it right after Truetrac so it has me currious?

Pinion shims they go between the spring and axle perch to tilt the axle up or down in number of degrees. All u-joints need some up/down angle to them to rotate correctly, the stock axle has about 1-1.5* down. You add more angle by adding the shims, lowered or racing you want to tilt the axle pinion flange down, lifted 4x4 you need the angle to go up. A couple of degrees down will help plant the tires harder on launch at the drags. Do not go more than 4* it will throw the u-joints into bind and burn them up.


http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/suspension-belltech-suspension-kits-and-components-pinion-shims.html

http://www.djmsuspension.com/Products/Tech/PinionShims.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=_OJhiG9lEP8C&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=leaf+spring+pinion+angle+drag+race+traction&source=web&ots=44pYGGIz2A&sig=BTbwAbsnno9NWQRZBnptpzJlGwE#PPA66,M1

Damn it...I had to ask.....atleast there fairly cheap!!! LoL

SSSSssssshhhhh You....Man now people are gonna know how to get better 60fts....LOL

I shimmed my carrier and you can make the parts yourself and install.

Pinion shims they go between the spring and axle perch to tilt the axle up or down in number of degrees. All u-joints need some up/down angle to them to rotate correctly, the stock axle has about 1-1.5* down. You add more angle by adding the shims, lowered or racing you want to tilt the axle pinion flange down, lifted 4x4 you need the angle to go up. A couple of degrees down will help plant the tires harder on launch at the drags. Do not go more than 4* it will throw the u-joints into bind and burn them up.


http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/suspension-belltech-suspension-kits-and-components-pinion-shims.html

Thanx for the pic RB. how do you know how far to raise it? I havethe mcgaughys kit so another KC with my setup woud be some help

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If there is a big truck chassis shop close by you can get them a lot cheaper than the link, i only paid $8 for mine. You may not see a big difference in the 60' but you wil be more consistent. This is a old racers trick, check out the pinion angle section on the last link for a better explanation.

Thanx for the pic RB. how do you know how far to raise it? I havethe mcgaughys kit so another KC with my setup woud be some help
go with 3 for starters...pending gauge of steel. I got the metal at home depot and it was about 1/2" wide 3-4ft long. I needed them due to the drivetrain telling me so...and they just so happened to help my 60's...thanks drive train!

WOW NICKS truck is MOVING!

Thanks Guys! Now i have a couple more tricks to install before Feb. to lower my 60', and to get some more lowend from the 5.6.

Some people been holding out on us,lol.

[dbolemiss] Some people been holding out on us,lol.

No Man, This is the oldest trick in the book, thought some member's were already using Pinion Shims. I will try to get some pics and do a write up this weekend to enlighten the CT masses of the P/S Mod.

as soon as i can find my way to a quarter mile track ill post times...lol..my last time in the 1/8th was a 9.89 before 2* and tb mods...ill def keep u guys updated when i do run in the 1/4

I"m ready for the track again now that I have my pulley on...need to see what it's done.

I might be able to make it once before the end of the year...we will see!!

I wish I could have the PS pulley before I go.

as soon as i can find my way to a quarter mile track ill post times...lol..my last time in the 1/8th was a 9.89 before 2* and tb mods...ill def keep u guys updated when i do run in the 1/4

Do it to NN.
Threadjack: Wher did you get that hood from, is it functional?

I"m ready for the track again now that I have my pulley on...need to see what it's done.

I might be able to make it once before the end of the year...we will see!!

I wish I could have the PS pulley before I go.

Tear 'em up Rossi, Break a axle. Bad Carma to say g**d lu*k.

Some people been holding out on us,lol.

Gotta know when to hold them gotta know when to drop them.....OK since Nick is a trooper for sharing tricks I'm gonna share this with you CT draggers.

If you have a Hellwig you can preload the rear suspension...ask anyone if they have noticed my truck sits higher on the right side in the rear or if they even noticed. Well it does and that's because I have the hellwig setup to do so. That's a 60ft tip for you guys as well.


Southern thing you know....Booooyaa!

Got to love all you old guys and your tricks,but i'll take being young and dumb for now,lol
next thing they'll say is ice down the intake in between runs,lol

Thanks DB, just thought of a twist to the bags of ice, :hmm: might have to give it a try next time.:rolleyes: Good find RB, might have to ditch the JT springs and get those. Which one did you get standard or HD?.

Thanks DB, just thought of a twist to the bags of ice, :hmm: might have to give it a try next time.:rolleyes: Good find RB, might have to ditch the JT springs and get those. Which one did you get standard or HD?.

Keep the JT's I got the SWAY bar...a the drop shackle to and see what you get.

Yes, the drop shackles are on my to do list. Thinking about the sway bar, may be next winter before i get it.