OK, after doing my best to convince myself I am not interested in a aftermarket intake, I am starting to waver. I am starting my research to try to learn what I can about them here.

What can you guys tell me about the differences, Pros and cons of Volant, vs K&N? With an aftermarket exhaust will there be a noticable gain anywhere but at top end? Will I give up low end torque? Educate me guys!

Oh yeah, who has the best prices on these?

No replies????? I expected JT and Mike Z minimum to give some input! Cmon guys (not just them 2) give me some opinions!

you remember how my truck sounded and took off and I have the volant intake with the Gibson exhaust. If you like that combo then go for it. I really can't say much about the K&N because I don't own it, but I do know their filter is exposed on the top and uses the hood to seal it of which I don't like. The Volant is sealed in it's own container and truly sucks in air from the fender well.

I don't know that I would recommend going with an intake first Bill because with the stock exhaust they seem to soften things up a bit on the low end, of which goes away with an aftermarket exhaust. Why don't you start with an exhaust then go for the intake.

After having the exhaust system hacked away on my first truck and then buying an aftermarket one for my current truck, I can easily recommend buying an aftermarket one because you'll have your stock system to reinstall just in case you don't like it or whatever the reason may be. Please go for the exhaust first if your interested in changing it, if not then just throw in a K&N drop in filter and save your money....

WHAT????????? No replies, I at least expected Bixll to answer me..... :lol:

WHAT????????? No replies, I at least expected Bixll to answer me..... :lol:

LOL, your killin me!!!!! O.K., I guess I better think exhaust first! How about after exhuast? LOL

if not then just throw in a K&N drop in filter and save your money....

Does that really make much of a difference? Your still using the oem airbox, right?

If your going to just do the drop in make sure to do all the stock air box mods. They do help.

If your going to just do the drop in make sure to do all the stock air box mods. They do help.

Yeah, already done that, too. Just really can't decide to get the 'dropin' or replace completely with Volant.... :?:

If your going to just do the drop in make sure to do all the stock air box mods. They do help.

Yeah, already done that, too. Just really can't decide to get the 'dropin' or replace completely with Volant.... :?:

My personal experience says Volant.

WHAT????????? No replies, I at least expected Bixll to answer me..... :lol:

LOL, your killin me!!!!! O.K., I guess I better think exhaust first! How about after exhuast? LOL

after the exhaust then go for the Volant, the gains will better realized and your peak torque will be higher and closer to the stock rpm peak. And of course we all want to keep the peak torque as low as possible in the rev band for that off the line punch and hemi eating power... :twisted:

If your going to just do the drop in make sure to do all the stock air box mods. They do help.

Yeah, already done that, too. Just really can't decide to get the 'dropin' or replace completely with Volant.... :?:

Like I explained to Bixll earlier in this thread your not really going to like the Volant if that's all you have for mods. I did some dyno testing with and without the Volant, using the stock exhaust, and the Volant will shift your peak torque about 400 rpm higher. That's what will give it that soft feeling off the line. But after installing an aftermarket exhaust the peak torque dropped 300 rpm and all the low end grunt was back.

If no exhaust mods then K&N and Green make drop in filters for our stock air boxes. I haven't done any dyno testing with my truck using a drop-in but I did on my wife's Aviator and it boosted it by 4hp and 6lb/ft of torque. Not bad for $40...

OK, the more I research this, the more I am starting to lean to just doing the stock air box mod josh showed in an earlier post, and adding a cone filter. M4ck, you had this set up, then went to the Volant, did you see any real gains, outside of increased air flow noise? I have read an awful lot of people making Volant the first choice, but at the same time having to do a lot of mods to it to make it fit/work properly. The guys that have it, would you do it again, or just modify the stock airbox?

Well my butt dyno says I got an increase. I know that my throttle response is better. There is some added noise. I am thinking of making my own ram air duct and fitting it to the Volant air box.

...I have read an awful lot of people making Volant the first choice, but at the same time having to do a lot of mods to it to make it fit/work properly...I think the original Volant had some fit issues but then it was redesigned with no more fit issues. I do not know if they recalled the original ones or changed the part number with the redesign. Volant was allowing people to exchange the older ones a few months ago.

adding a cone filter.

Please explain how you're gonna do this.

adding a cone filter.

Please explain how you're gonna do this.

I don't know, I am just throwing ideas out there, trying to get some discussion going on it. The more options I explore, the better chance of being happy with my decision!

adding a cone filter.

Please explain how you're gonna do this.

I don't know, I am just throwing ideas out there, trying to get some discussion going on it. The more options I explore, the better chance of being happy with my decision!

Im sure with a dremel and a little work the stock air box could be modded to allow a tube to be attached to the stock tube and inserted into the box then add a cone filter to it. Suprised actually that no one has done this yet. Sounds like a mod Firecracker should take on and try. (HINT HINT)

Im sure with a dremel and a little work the stock air box could be modded to allow a tube to be attached to the stock tube and inserted into the box then add a cone filter to it. Suprised actually that no one has done this yet. Sounds like a mod Firecracker should take on and try. (HINT HINT)

Yeah, I'm thinking MAYBE you're right....I'll see what I can come up with.:idea:


Get back with you all......... :wink:

maybe something like this even:
http://www.esuperchargers.com/
:lol:

J/K

I also talked to "Truckacc.Guy.com", and he told me although it is not released yet, very soon Air Raid is offering an enclosed CAI (cold air intake). Anybody have any experiance with Air Raid products?

Alright...got all the measurements I need. Tomorrow, I'm going down to Autozone or Walmart and picking up a conical filter. I'm sure I can make this work! I'll keep you posted! :wink:

Alright...got all the measurements I need. Tomorrow, I'm going down to Autozone or Walmart and picking up a conical filter. I'm sure I can make this work! I'll keep you posted! :wink:

You are too cool firecracker! I can't wait to see the results! You may be just starting an intake revolution!

Alright...got all the measurements I need. Tomorrow, I'm going down to Autozone or Walmart and picking up a conical filter. I'm sure I can make this work! I'll keep you posted! :wink:

All right, lets back up here and talk a little theory. If the conical filter is able to be used in the stock airbox, with the stock airbox mod, what other differences are there from having the aftermarket Volant, or K&n? Is the tube from the airbox to the throttle body on the aftermarket so different from the stock? What other differences are there?

I am also assuming that the use of a conical filter would be the major difference? Does the conical allow a more free flow of air then the stock filter? To me, this sounds like a fantastic alternative to the cost of an aftermarket intake. Am I missing anything here?

Is the tube from the airbox to the throttle body on the aftermarket so different from the stock? What other differences are there?

I don't have one, but I would tend to believe the tube is the same or at least very similar. Some of you others need to chime in here

Does the conical allow a more free flow of air then the stock filter?

Quite simply, YES. This is discussed on NUMEROUS sites. Can't quite get into the specifics, but I've seen the documentation. The conical filter IS better.


Again, someone chime in here.....

Firecracker, if you work on this today, please take some pics as you go. I am really fired up about this, and think we may be on to something here!

There is a difference in the tube. The tubes you get with the Volant or the K&N are single piece, solid and very very smooth on the inside. The stockers are flexible and ribbed. They are not smooth on the inside this will cause the air to not flow as smooth or fast as the aftermarket tubes. As far as getting a conical filter to fit in the stock air box I would think with enough looking around you could find one there are lots of different sizees.
Also you may want to look at further mods to the stock air box. like completely removing the snorkel piece that extends into the wheel well. Maybe even cutting out the side of the stock air box to allow the hole there to be the same size as the cut out in the wheel well. Its a pretty big hole.
definately keep us updated. You could save a lot of people some money.

JetTech and I were talking about the tube. I am thinking that perhaps a piece of pvc, and the rubber pvc connections (slip joint, and elbow) may solve the tube problem. I am waiting to see how firecracker does before I persue it any further. I am also going to look into modifying the cold air inlet to the box, but don't think there is much you can do to improve that area.

Firecracker, if you work on this today, please take some pics as you go. I am really fired up about this, and think we may be on to something here!

Well, didn't get to work on it Sunday (wife had a list of stuff to do :cry: ). Anyway, did some research. M4ck , you're right there are LOTS of different sizes. What I'm planning on using is one about 5" long, 4" at the base w/ 3" inside dia. inlet. I believe K&N has one p/n: E-4270 at Autozone for around $29.

piece of pvc, and the rubber pvc connections (slip joint, and elbow) may solve the tube problem

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

modifying the cold air inlet to the box, but don't think there is much you can do to improve that area

About the only thing left that I can think of, would be to insulate the box from the engine heat. K&N Eng. actually advises this anyway.

About the only thing left that I can think of, would be to insulate the box from the engine heat. K&N Eng. actually advises this anyway.

I was thinking maybe opening up the inlet hole on the airbox to same diameter as hole in fenderwell, but I would want it to be a clean fit, would keep it the way it is rather then have a hack, butcher looking job.

Yeah, BiXLL, thought of that. You could easily cut it out the same size, however, you'd definately want to "seal" it off to the fender well wall there......did that make sense? If you used a black foam, like polymerit 3/8in think, then it would nearly blend in completely. Not looking like a 'butcher' job at all.
:idea: :idea:

Hey, M4ck or Jetech, I can't recall, do you use the original oem Mass Airflow Sensor?

Not sure what that foam is, but it sounds like we are on the same page. If it could be done neatly, I think it would be a good part of the entire mod!

Not sure what that foam is, but it sounds like we are on the same page. If it could be done neatly, I think it would be a good part of the entire mod!

LOL, It's a foam we use in our aircraft. Sorry, I reverting back to my work thinking......:)

I'm sure we can make this work....you guys just give me a few days, okay?! :idea:

Any idea what that little box is attached to the oem tube? is that the "resonator"? and, what the heck is it used for?

I know that those guys both used OEM sensor.

I'm sure we can make this work....you guys just give me a few days, okay?! :idea:

Any idea what that little box is attached to the oem tube? is that the "resonator"? and, what the heck is it used for?

It's just a holding/plenum chamber for the crankcase breather tubes. The Volant inlet tube has 2 connections for these lines directly into the tube. Any of you interested in making your own tubes will have to make sure to add 2 connections for the breather lines.

I'm sure we can make this work....you guys just give me a few days, okay?! :idea:

Any idea what that little box is attached to the oem tube? is that the "resonator"? and, what the heck is it used for?

It's just a holding/plenum chamber for the crankcase breather tubes. The Volant inlet tube has 2 connections for these lines directly into the tube. Any of you interested in making your own tubes will have to make sure to add 2 connections for the breather lines.

Just HAD to make it more complicated didn't ya big guy?

there's nothing easy when it comes to "re-engineering" an aleady decent product. May the force be with you Bixll.. :lol:

No big deal. that should be easy enough. Those two lines must be the ones connected to the resonator assy.

Anything new to report firecracker? Or we gonna let this die? My biggest concern is cutting up the factory airbox, be lost if mod don't work!

No, I've done some more research, came up with a filter I thought about using (might still), but I orginially wanted to make the tube 3" inside diameter, well....having some difficulty finding a suitable tube to make it out of. I've almost decided to keep the OEM tube and modify the lid to accept the cone-type filter.

And as far and modifying the box...don't want to do much except cut out tube that goes through fender well. I want to cut that side of the box out the same size as the hole, and then get the two to "mate-up" somehow. :idea: I've got a few ideas, but nothing concrete yet.


I'm working on it. Not gonna let it die, I think there's too much to gain from it.

Also, want to keep it as inexpensive as possible and easy to modify so others can benefit...you know what I mean?

Okay, ordered my filter today $29 and some change from O'Reilly Auto Parts. Here's the one I ordered:

http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RU-3120

Should fit in the oem box without much modification. Have an Idea for attaching it too, but you all will have to wait until I get it installed before I tell you about it.

You know if you manage to use the stock tube that will save you from having to handle the MAF sensor. That thing is touchy. be careful if you have to move it. That or youll be at the dealership buying a new one. Plus if you use the stock tube you wont have to worry about making breather tubes. Just a thought.

The dimensions on that cone filter come out to about 56.5 sq. inches of filter area. I looked up the K&N replacement for the Titan drop in and it comes to 111 sq. inches. Are you sure that filter is big enough?

There is one major difference with the K&N and Volant that I noticed through looking at the pics regarding the tubes. The Volant put the sensor in the same basic place as stock. The K&N tube moves it closer to the throttle body, but more importantly it also relocates the breather tubes upstream of the mass air sensor. I don't know if this has anything to do with a couple of people having problems with the K&N CAI but I sure as heck wouldn't want the extra oil vapor coating the sensor.

I'm curious to see how the mod (cone) works out.

The dimensions on that cone filter come out to about 56.5 sq. inches of filter area. I looked up the K&N replacement for the Titan drop in and it comes to 111 sq. inches. Are you sure that filter is big enough?

the drop in filters do have more area, but actually less than half is used. Take a look at your OEM filter, only part of it gets dirty, right?

Just a thought.

I'm curious to see how the mod (cone) works out.

Me too! LOL :lol: Filter should be in(at store) Monday. HOPEFULLY I'll get a chance to work on it this week. I've got all the materials, just waiting on the filter itself. [/i]

Firecracker, are you still going to try to replace the tube also, or just the filter? If your doing the whole thing, keep me abreast so I can make the same unit. When I go for the second dyno with the exhaust, I could put it on between pulls, and see what gains if any we get from it.

Firecracker, are you still going to try to replace the tube also, or just the filter?

I think just the filter right now.

the drop in filters do have more area, but actually less than half is used. Take a look at your OEM filter, only part of it gets dirty, right?

Just a thought.



Actually on a sealed perimeter, the entire area is used. However, there is more airflow through the path of least resistance but any pressure differential will result in air movement. With the removal of the inner pipe in the stock airbox, I have yet to see a big spot on just one part of the filter. Anyway - don't want to start a pissing contest or turn it into a my dad can beat up your dad thing. I'm just anxious to see how it goes!

In reality, the back of my mind has a little voice celebrating another ginuea pig trying stuff out.

Don't worry, I didn't take it that way.... :wink:

I'll post pics and stuff when I get it finished.

Okay here's what we have:


My question is this: I've read that the K&N filter is actually "fouling" out the MAF. Any input on this, guys? As I really don't want to buy a new MAF. I'm only gonna run this filter a day or two, just to see if I notice any difference.

The problems with the K&N was basicly in the oiling. I believe it has been taken care of. Just be sure not to over oil it, and you should be fine.

The problems with the K&N was basicly in the oiling. I believe it has been taken care of. Just be sure not to over oil it, and you should be fine.

I hope so! I'm still planning on modding the box bottom to go with the addtion of the cone filter. I'll post pics of that when I get it done, too.

Thanks, BiXLL :)

I hope so! I'm still planning on modding the box bottom to go with the addtion of the cone filter. I'll post pics of that when I get it done, too.

Thanks, BiXLL :)

Hey Firecracker
I was wondering, how did the cone filter work out for you? Any problems running with it, or did I miss the update?

e7m81,

actually, I stopped the mod and went back to Stock. I kept getting a "service engine" light.

anyway, there's another member here who has modded his box with the cone filter. I'll see if I can find his post and link it to you.

e7m81,

actually, I stopped the mod and went back to Stock. I kept getting a "service engine" light.

anyway, there's another member here who has modded his box with the cone filter. I'll see if I can find his post and link it to you.

Thanks firecracker, I really appreciate it. I'll give the forum a search or two myself. Thanks again.

Here ya go:

http://www.clubtitan.org/postt175.html

Let me know if this helps.