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: TB Coolant Bypass--With a Twist


RockyMtnTitan
08-21-2005, 12:03 AM
I was all set to do the JetTech Coolant Bypass mod the other day, when I had a thought.....why not just install a small ball valve instead so that you could heat the TB during cold weather if needed, and then close it for warmer weather to reduce intake temps. BTW, JT, you're famous once more! That is, when I googled "coolant bypass" a link to your pixaggo page with all your truck photos came up!

The problem was trying to find a very small ball valve for the application. I went with a 1/4" brass-bodied valve I found in the air compressor accessories section at Lowes. Just install a couple of 1/4" npt X 5/16" barb adapters to each end. Other than that, all you need is about a foot of 5/16" id fuel/heater hose and 4 clamps. Install is straight forward, as you can hopefully see in the pics I've attached.

Intake Temperature Testing:

I did some bef/aft temp testing, measuring intake air temp rise across the TB to see how much this mod reduces the intake temp. I used a fairly accurate and fast acting Fluke 52, dual input digital thermocouple. Here's a few numbers to digest. Let me know what you all think.

Before: (Motor at operating temp)

Ambient Temp= 85 deg F
Temp Rise across TB after idling for 5 min = 17 deg.
Temp Rise across TB cruising @ 70mph/3300rpm/3rd gr = 7 deg
Temp Rise across TB during 0-90 run @ WOT:
Start = 15 deg rise
60 mph = 2 deg rise
90 mph = 1 deg rise

After: (Motor at operating temp)

Ambient Temp= 87 deg F
Temp Rise across TB after idling for 5 min = 5 deg.
Temp Rise across TB cruising @ 70mph/3300rpm/3rd gr = 4 deg
Temp Rise across TB during 0-90 run @ WOT:
Start = 6 deg rise
60 mph = 1 deg rise
90 mph =.5 deg rise

As you can see, the biggest benefit of this mod is the reduction of intake temp at idle. The temp rise @ WOT was minimal both before and after mod, which makes sense. The air is moving too fast for much heat transfer to take place. But think about all that heat sitting inside the intake plenum at idle....seems like a real low-end torque killer to me. So by taking that 17 deg rise down to about 5 deg has gotta help.

Of special note, I found that the intake temp measured in the tube just before the TB inlet would reach temps as high as 134 deg! Keep in mind this is with an ambient of 85 deg, a Volant CAI, and with the TB coolant valve off. It appears that the plastic intake tube gets heat soaked from the radiator and a/c fan (if on) discharging a lot of heat across the tube, as it is directly in the flow path. This temp does not cool down instantly after opening the throttle (other than wot). It took several minutes of driving around to see the temp come down. I know thick-walled plastic is a pretty good insulator, but in the event it does get heat soaked, it takes a while to lose that heat. Aluminum, though, would probably heat up quicker (and more), but would dissapate quicker. I may try to insulate the tube, if I can find something that looks good....cuz that's important...lol!

Sorry for the long post...hopefully someone else finds this stuff as interesting as I do.

JetTech
08-21-2005, 12:07 AM
Wow rocky, very cool idea and nice job!! :moonwalk: :thumbsup:

RockyMtnTitan
08-21-2005, 12:11 AM
Always good to hear praise from "the master"! :lol:

JetTech
08-21-2005, 12:13 AM
Always good to hear praise from "the master"! :lol:

:oops: :oops: Thanks rocky... :oops: :oops:

misery-tom
08-21-2005, 02:58 AM
well, i guess if there a still people that wanna validate this mod, they got there answer, thanks alot man, great info and proof for that matter

:goodjob:

tom

kingtut135
08-21-2005, 03:03 AM
Great info! Would be nice to see stock box temps as a control ( see how COLD Volants Cold Air Intake really is??) Otherwise that whistling box i've been waiting for might be replaced by an AEM or AirforceOne..
That heat soak might offset some gains in people's MPG.
Im now thinking of stainless tube with a heat wrap.

jtrich
08-21-2005, 07:24 AM
I have an AEM intake, and I don't think it qualifies as a cold air intake. I think it's more of a lower restriction intake. I just got a data log cable and did some runs on my truck and a buddies 04 chevy. I know it's kind of an apples to oranges comparison, but he has the factory intake on his truck thats pulling air out of the fender instead of under the hood like my AEM. On our runs in 90 degree weather His intake air temp was 100 degrees, mine was 134 degrees. Thats a big difference, maybe the Volant would be better being it has a closed in box.
James

QShip
08-21-2005, 08:40 AM
This is good info! This is a mod I will do!

NKTITAN711
08-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Good thinking! :informative:

I'll end up doing this. (when it's get's cooler around here!)

firecracker
08-21-2005, 09:49 AM
Good post, Rocky!! Thanks!

Vegeta
08-21-2005, 09:59 AM
Great thinking Rocky ! Nice job !

got_titan
08-21-2005, 01:04 PM
good info rocky! i may have to do this. thanks, john

Kopperking
08-21-2005, 02:30 PM
WOW!!
:notworthy: Praise :notworthy: from a Jet Mechanic to a HVAC Tech!!

Way to Go, Rock!! :thumbsup: :roflmao:

Dafridge
08-21-2005, 04:35 PM
thanks for going to the extent of measuring temps. :thumbsup: seems like a quick and easy mod of some kinda insulation wrap for the intake tube would be very beneficial. gonna have to make trip to autozone or a performance shop.

i think the little things like this i learn on this site is what makes Club Titan priceless. :D

RockyMtnTitan
08-21-2005, 08:41 PM
Thanks for all the kind words, folks! Let me know if any of you come up with a wrap for the intake tube that doesn't look too tacky. :P I may pick up some refrigeration pipe insulation for now, just to see how much of a difference wrapping the tube will do. :D

Kopperking
08-21-2005, 10:29 PM
You could TRY 4" Foil-backed Flex Duct? LOL!

m95roadster
08-22-2005, 01:02 AM
Hey Rock,

As usual, some very good, useful information and research. Keep up the great work!

RockyMtnTitan
08-22-2005, 03:04 PM
You could TRY 4" Foil-backed Flex Duct? LOL!

Yeah right, Tat....you try it on your LE and post up some pics! :lol:

RockyMtnTitan
08-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Hey Rock,

As usual, some very good, useful information and research. Keep up the great work!

Thanks, m95. BTW...I haven't forgot about taking those intake measurements for you. I've got them jotted down and will get them to you today.

hoodrat1
08-24-2005, 10:21 PM
HI GENTS:

I GUESS I SHOULD TAG ONTO ROCKYMTN'S POST FOR THIS. I AM A TT REGULAR VIEWER, SINCE THAT WAS WHAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT FIRST, BUT I LOOK AT CT FOR FURTHER GUIDANCE. THIS SITE HAS SOME REAL HARDCORE "PRO'S".

ANYHOO---- MY QUESTION WAS FOR ROCKYMTN - THE SMALLER "BYPASS" HOSE ON YOUR MOD IS STILL ATTACHED CORRECT? I NOTICED JETTECH CAPPED HIS, BUT WITH YOUR MOD THERE IS NO NEED OR AM I MISTAKEN? I PLAN TO DO THE SAME MOD SOON. I'M ALL ABOUT GETTING WHAT I CAN FOR THE SOUND ENGINEERING PRINCIPLE OF IT AND WAITING FOR ALL THE BUGS TO BE WORKED OUT ON SC'S, TC'S, HEADERS, ECU THIS/THAT, ETC.... FOR NOW I AM HAPPY WITH MY "SHADE TREE" MODS. OTHERS INCLUDE - AIR BOX MOD, THROTTLE BODY SPACER, A/C BYPASS HEAT EXCHANGER ON THROTTLE BODY - JUST KIDDING ON THAT ONE. GOTCHA!

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Blue_Water_Rush
08-24-2005, 10:50 PM
Great idea Rock, I'll bet fuel milage would be better as well, with the cooler air atomizing fuel mixture more efficiently. I'm not sure exactly how its done, but did you pull that tube from another source? if so where? Did you have to plug something?I'm still not familiar with all my plumbing but i'm gona study your pics in conjunction with my existing setup, and this mod's on my list. I'll have to checkout jet's pics too. Thanks and kudos bro...
:udaman:

RockyMtnTitan
08-25-2005, 12:46 AM
Thanks, all, but the credit for this mod goes to JetTech. All I did was just add a valve instead of doing a true bypass....just so I could have a Summer/Winter operation, if need be. Either method 'bypasses' the TB. So, I guess mine is a mod of a mod, if you will!

The coolant bypass is a very popular mod on many newer vehicles...but I think JT was the first to do it on a Titan and to post a 'how-to' for it.

Sorry I didn't take better pics to show what I did...but trust me, it's very easy. Just put the valve in the line shown in the pics, and leave the other one alone. Nothing is disconn from the TB, so no plugs are needed. Don't do this mod while motor is hot, if you can help yourself. I did it hot, (too impatient!) using some needle nose vise-grips to pinch off the lines, and then made a small cut in the hose to bleed off the pressure into some rags, but still made a little mess. No big deal...just blasted the motor at the carwash to rinse off any coolant.

Blue_Water_Rush
08-25-2005, 02:56 PM
Thanks for the info Rock, I'm gonna do that, plus I wanna read JT's thread too.

Blue_Water_Rush
08-28-2005, 02:45 PM
I went with a 1/4" brass-bodied valve I found in the air compressor accessories section at Lowes.
I just got the parts at Lowes & pep-boys for this mod. I'm going the route RMT did, with the valve. As soon as my truck cools down I'm gonna pop it in. That's why I'm here right now. Thanks, rock & JT for facilitating this mod, and the temperature testing, I think this mod is totally worth it!

Blue_Water_Rush
08-29-2005, 01:38 PM
OK Rock, here's my clone of your mod, I just put the valve closer to the TB for horizontal position. Thanks again!

RockyMtnTitan
08-29-2005, 05:28 PM
Looks good! I knew there was a reason I went with the red wires in the Active Tuning ground kit.....it was so they would match the red handle on the TB coolant valve...lol! I am so about color coordination (yeah, right :roll: ).

travelboysteve
11-23-2006, 08:35 PM
AHA, I Found it!!! Thanks guys, just posting to find it tomorrow,.....kudos to the Titan Gods