Titan vs HD SC F150

[Warp09]

Originally Posted by Cali_Screw

Not as deep as you think...


I love being called a ferd. turd and all those dumb names but its funny when they get smoked by a "Slow *** lifted one" !!!

Atleast they circled the problem.

LOL What problems?

[SPEEDDEMON]

Originally Posted by kha4079

ford is still slow. if you have DEEP DEEP pockets then a FORD TRUCK can be fast..

Nope, wrong again! Being fast has to do with understanding your vehicle and knowing what mods will go together with it best to get you where you need at the least possible cost. If you don't know what you are doing and can only rely on your tuner to make you fast you will be forever spending money trying to make your truck fast while destroying other parts at the same time. There are tried, proven and reliable ways of making power. Many people don't understand if you mod your engine to make more power eventually you will stress the other components and end up paying to replace all of them. Many individuals right now are treading on thin ice and it will only be a matter of time before they have to utilise those "DEEP DEEP pockets" that they have or will have to have when you hear that famous "BANG".

The other thing is that because these trucks are so very common there is a huge competition for parts.....I mean HUGE(New and Used parts) as well as for Service work unlike with the Titan.......The parts are actually quite cheap........(More Competition=Cheaper Parts) That is if you know what you are doing. I have several buddies that are parts specialist at dealerships throughout the U.S and the price I can get them for is way cheaper than buying stuff online including all the taxes and fees. Or if you are smart and know a local junkyard.......You can get parts for close to nothing LOL.........Most Ford guy modifyers know this and no one pays a lot for second hand parts regardless of what they go for when new.........I have never met a bigger bunch of cheap guys in all of the forums than my ford guys and I am on "plenty" forums and these guys make fast reliable power.... 13's/12's is not considered fast!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/J...Sec_121158.htm

[River Rat]

Ok I agree you dont have to have deep pockets to make a Ford fast. However you do have to have deep pockets if you want to keep it fast. Cause FIX OR REPAIR DAILY. Sorry I have owned a ford and know many who still do love them but they also pay for them all the time especially if they are modified even a little.

[SPEEDDEMON]

I think that is true for all trucks my friend LOL Its easy to make generalisations, I know of persons who have heavily modified Ford trucks that haven't given them any problems and they are as reliable as can be and have been for years. This is because they know exactly what they are doing and they have learned from everyone's mistakes. I know of Titan trucks that have given their owners endless problems that are not even modified so it can work both ways.

You have to understand that I had a Titan when they were no real parts for them so I know exactly what I am talking about........I was one of the first who went ahead and got the air fuel ratio of my truck leaned out on my Titan to work with my JBA headers and Volant Intake as well as my exhaust. That was when Uprev was not even on the block yet and everyone was scared to mess about with it in fear that it would not work or may damage their truck and everyone swore that JBA headers would never work. There is still a huge learning curve ahead for the Titan with a whole lot of experimenting that needs to be done which has been already done for Found On Race Day Dead !

[400Eric]

Speaking as a truly unbiased observer, I think it's unfair to compare a limited production SC truck against a regular production truck. The only reason that Ford did the SC thing is because they had to. It is the slowest truck on the market and has been for some time. Even with the new 6 speed automatic. http://special-reports.pickuptrucks....r-mile-dr.html No-one else offers an SC truck off of the assembly line (only over the counter). No-one else is a full second slower than the next nearest competitor. (All the other trucks fall in the mid to high 15 sec. range with Ford lagging a FULL SECOND behind the rest.) What is it they say over at Ford? "The best never rest". Maybe not. But they sure do lag. I don't mean to rag on Ford so much, it's just that I sure wouldn't want to put MY name on a product that is so far behind the competition, and has been for quite a while. That's probably why they did the SC thing.

The argument that there is better aftermarket support for the Ford and that makes them better is the same argument the Chevy guys used to defend the original small block but that doesn't mean it was better as it left the factory. It wasn't. I have taken great delight in proving that to Chevy guys with my Mopars and AMCs for most of my life. The aftermarket support is there because Ford and Chevy sell a butt load of cars and trucks. But high quantity does not mean high quality. Often times it means quiet the opposite. McDonalds is by far the worlds largest restaurant chain---they sell more meals than anybody---but are they the best meals? The aftermarket support is there even for the limited production Fords and Chevys because there are a lot of guys who modify their regular production Fords and Chevys into "clones" of the factory hot rods and the aftermarket is there with the goods to help them do it.

We will find out who is best when the two brothers, Warp and Cali-screw, line-em up at Fontana on March 07, 2009. Hurry hurry hurry get your tickets now! Regards, Uncle Eric

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Speaking as a truly unbiased observer, I think it's unfair to compare a limited production SC truck against a regular production truck. The only reason that Ford did the SC thing is because they had to. It is the slowest truck on the market and has been for some time. Even with the new 6 speed automatic. http://special-reports.pickuptrucks....r-mile-dr.html No-one else offers an SC truck off of the assembly line (only over the counter). No-one else is a full second slower than the next nearest competitor. (All the other trucks fall in the mid to high 15 sec. range with Ford lagging a FULL SECOND behind the rest.) What is it they say over at Ford? "The best never rest". Maybe not. But they sure do lag. I don't mean to rag on Ford so much, it's just that I sure wouldn't want to put MY name on a product that is so far behind the competition, and has been for quite a while. That's probably why they did the SC thing.

The argument that there is better aftermarket support for the Ford and that makes them better is the same argument the Chevy guys used to defend the original small block but that doesn't mean it was better as it left the factory.They weren't. I have taken great delight in proving that to Chevy guys with my Mopars and AMCs for most of my life. The aftermarket support is there because Ford and Chevy sell a butt load of cars and trucks. But high quantity does not mean high quality. Often times it means quiet the opposite. McDonalds is by far the worlds largest restaurant chain---they sell more meals than anybody---but are they the best meals? The aftermarket support is there even for the limited production Fords and Chevys because there are a lot of guys who modify their regular production Fords and Chevys into "clones" of the factory hot rods and the aftermarket is there with the goods to help them do it.

We will find out who is best when the two brothers, Warp and Cali-screw, line-em up at Fontana on March 07, 2009. Hurry hurry hurry get your tickets now! Regards, Uncle Eric

I think you are getting me all wrong I am not disputing that the Titan is not a superb truck, remember I had one myself and at that time it was one of the fastest(It is obviously not anymore)...I gave up on that project because of the lack of aftermarket support and the fact that I wanted a blower and Stillen was not a wise investment and still is not(At least not for my pockets LOL)

This whole response came about with one of the guys on the thread saying that Fords are slow trucks which is a statement that will only invite trolling and even though it may be true about the regular Ford trucks it is not true about the one in question. Remember this is the Title "Titan vs HD SC F150" and I am sticking strictly to the topic. The below link is the truck in stock form from the factory. My lightly modded Titan or when it was stock could not beat it or any of the Titans that I have been in, in stock form. I know persons are going to come talking about but it has a supercharger........but remember you can go to the dealership and its up to you to buy exactly what you want a (A 15 sec truck or a 14 sec truck) blown truck or an unblown one. Next he comes on and says they are expensive to modify which is false because with just a pulley(under $100) and a tune(free tune from a friend with a predator) it will be spinning rubber deep into the 13's. The other point is there are serious racers out there and there are some who will just run for the fun of it. Serious racers will do what it takes to make their truck as close to the 10's as possible and maybe into the 9's and money will be no object. People who are just in it for the fun will be content to just be in the 13's.

http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

I also agree that there are a lot of worthless aftermarket parts but there are good ones as well but it is up to you to do the necessary research and buy quality parts at reasonable prices. The aftermarket potential of the Ford HD right now can get them deep into the 10's reliably. What is the aftermarket potential for the Titan reliably???

[River Rat]

See Im not a Ford guy but I will say that they have good ideas. I mean there is no arguing about that. They have come out with two performance trucks and are getting ready to come out with another one. And the truck in the video is a beast.

[Warp09]

Look, let me put some insight on this, LOL. Like it matters, right?

Let's take it from experience. I have never owned a Ford, but my dad, brother, grandpa, and uncle has. My dad has had a F250, expedition, explorer, mustang, and has NO problems with them. I think the 250 had a turbo failure but that was due to something WE did. Explorer was beat on with no problems.

My uncle has had a Ford Ranger for 300,000 miles and has had a few problems but he gets shot at, lol. Never left him hanging when he needed it though

My brother has a lifted SC F150 and has NO problems with it. Before my headers/manifold he was faster than me. I beat him down the 1/4 strictly from RT, he had the faster ET. From a roll, he would pull me. Now that I have had my headers/manifold put on, we raced 2. Remember this is my messed up tune. I beat him once, he beat me once but it was close. We need to race again from a dig and roll to see who is faster. However he is putting LTs on and getting another tune on.

I don't think Fords are turds, or crap, or anything. Yes, they are slow but can easily be made fast for cheap. Remember, my brother has a F150 with 35s and is beating my Titan or keeping up with it. Even with my headers. It would take cams for me to pull away from him or walk him. If a Ford is so slow how is he doing that then?

[400Eric]

Because he has that little something extra on his engine that we aren't supposed to talk about that's how. (But I think he has let the cat out of the bag already on this forum hasn't he?) If you had 1 of those you'd be creaming him and me as well.

All of you have good points that are well taken. I just miss the days when the first generation Lightning with a NA 351 (5.8L) was able to run with a same year SS454 (7.4L) Chevy truck despite having a much smaller engine. The Ford didn't have a gearing advantage either! Ford seemed to take more pride in the products they put their name on back then. I admired those trucks the way I admire Titans now.

I'm going to make a prediction. I think the new Dodge built Titan will still be VK56 powered and the VK56 will be revamped a bit and will be the new horsepower and torque king. If Nissan can find the $ to spring for a 6 spd. auto. as well, the Tundra is toast. I think Nissan has been holding the VK56 back only because the little Dana 44 rear-end isn't up to much more abuse (from a warranty conscious factory's viewpoint) but that rear-end will be gone in the new truck. Even the little 210hp 3.7L V-6 Rams come with a 9 1/4 inch ring gear rear end vs. 8 1/2 for the 44. That 9 1/4 is stout. I had a 440 cop car with one of those rears in it. While I am sad to see the Titan based on a competitors truck, I do feel that Nissan could have done a whole lot worse than Dodge. Regards, Uncle Eric

[SPEEDDEMON]

I just love to see my Old School Lightnings Run

You Tube

. BTW...He is in the 7's now!